64bit flash with Kubuntu?

[t***@slingshot.co.nz]

Using aptitude to install the flash plugin, I get this:

Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.04.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-10 12:15:19--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.

--2011-02-10 12:15:41-- (try: 2)
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.


It has umpteen attempts then gives up. Yet I can download that file
without any drama using Firefox. I'm confused in several ways:

Why is it downloading a tar.gz file? Is it because there's no 64bit
deb? In any case, there doesn't seem to be any 64 bit debs of any
version. I thought that had been sorted out some time back. Or did I
read some time ago that someone thought that it was *about time* it
was sorted?

If it's not sorted, I'd have thought a message to that extent could be
sent when anyone tried doing what I did instead of this rambling thing
about being unable to connect to canonical.com.

The tar.gz file seems to be just a compressed .so file. How would one
know where it belongs? Probably not a good idea anyway 'coz there's
no indication that it has been compiled for a 64 bit OS. It's times
like this I kind of like the idea of package management lining all
those up.

I found some information about 64 bit flash but judging by the
versions, they were somewhat dated. I tried mozilla-plugin-gnash
which installed but wouldn't do Google streetView or other web content.

What have others discovered with 64 bit flash?



Maybe useful info:

$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS \n \l

$ uname -srvmio
Linux 2.6.32-28-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 23:42:43 UTC 2011 x86_64
unknown GNU/Linux

TIA

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Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.04.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-10 12:15:19--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.
--2011-02-10 12:15:41--  (try: 2)
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.
It has umpteen attempts then gives up.  Yet I can download that file
Why is it downloading a tar.gz file?  Is it because there's no 64bit
deb?

presumably it is outside the terms of the license to repackage it?

Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
In any case, there doesn't seem to be any 64 bit debs of any
version.  I thought that had been sorted out some time back.  Or did I
read some time ago that someone thought that it was *about time* it
was sorted?
If it's not sorted, I'd have thought a message to that extent could be
sent when anyone tried doing what I did instead of this rambling thing
about being unable to connect to canonical.com.
The tar.gz file seems to be just a compressed .so file.  How would one
know where it belongs?  Probably not a good idea anyway 'coz there's
no indication that it has been compiled for a 64 bit OS.  It's times
like this I kind of like the idea of package management lining all
those up.
I found some information about 64 bit flash but judging by the
versions, they were somewhat dated.  I tried mozilla-plugin-gnash
which installed but wouldn't do Google streetView or other web content.
What have others discovered with 64 bit flash?

That there is no hardware acceleration for 64 bit, but there is for 32
bit, so if you want acceleration, use the 32 bit version.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1636333

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Quoting Nick Rout <***@gmail.com>:

[...]

Post by Nick Rout
That there is no hardware acceleration for 64 bit, but there is for 32
bit, so if you want acceleration, use the 32 bit version.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1636333

That induces me to begin with

wget http://frozenfox.freehostia.com/cappy/getlibs-all.deb

but unfortunately, that site has expired (according to a message I get if I go
there in a browser). I've found that same file elsewhere but it's already a
couple of years old. Is there a way of working out whether it's compatible
still?

Assuming it's OK still, do I just download the .deb file to my pwd and then
carry on the rest of the instructions?

Thanks for the pointer.

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Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.04.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-10 12:15:19--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.
--2011-02-10 12:15:41-- (try: 2)
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.

You could try changing mirror/server you are looking at: in 10.10 I have
(as one way of doing it) KPackageKit (on the System menu) > Settings >
Edit Origins > Download From - change to something else. It will then
want to reload/update the package information. Or in Synaptic Package
Manager > Settings Menu > Repositories?

Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
It has umpteen attempts then gives up. Yet I can download that file
Why is it downloading a tar.gz file? Is it because there's no 64bit
deb? In any case, there doesn't seem to be any 64 bit debs of any
version. I thought that had been sorted out some time back. Or did I
read some time ago that someone thought that it was *about time* it
was sorted?

Supposedly it got a whole heap better since flash v10 or 10.1.
Particularly with fresh installations which apparently are
(comparatively speaking) far more successful than previously. It was
indeed "about time" for a long time.

Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
If it's not sorted, I'd have thought a message to that extent could be
sent when anyone tried doing what I did instead of this rambling thing
about being unable to connect to canonical.com.
The tar.gz file seems to be just a compressed .so file. How would one
know where it belongs? Probably not a good idea anyway 'coz there's
no indication that it has been compiled for a 64 bit OS. It's times
like this I kind of like the idea of package management lining all
those up.
I found some information about 64 bit flash but judging by the
versions, they were somewhat dated. I tried mozilla-plugin-gnash
which installed but wouldn't do Google streetView or other web content.
What have others discovered with 64 bit flash?

You may find sound (lack of) to be the issue. Upgrades sometimes break
sound that used to work, sometimes fix what was broken. Waiting until a
full moon and saying the right spell may help. A box at home now has
sound in flash since the update to 10.10, it had been broken for a
couple of versions. This box I'm on now broked flash sound a few
versions back and still broked post-10.10. There are plenty of forum
posts suggesting numerous causes and/or fixes, I'm not sure where you
might start but someone here may be able to point you in the right
direction (to which I would pay attention also). Good luck.

Cheers,
Roger

Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS \n \l
$ uname -srvmio
Linux 2.6.32-28-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 23:42:43 UTC 2011 x86_64
unknown GNU/Linux
TIA
Patrick
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[Andrew Simpson]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:47:10 +1300

Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.04.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-10 12:15:19--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connection timed out.
Retrying.
It has umpteen attempts then gives up. Yet I can download that file
Why is it downloading a tar.gz file? Is it because there's no 64bit
deb? In any case, there doesn't seem to be any 64 bit debs of any
version. I thought that had been sorted out some time back. Or did I
read some time ago that someone thought that it was *about time* it
was sorted?

I think it's the licence that Adobe have on Flash. Ubuntu cannot offer
Flash in a file package, but they can offer it for download.

The Ubuntu deb is a script that goes to a website and downloads the
Adobe package, uncompresses it and installs the file (It's only one
file).

I guess in your case the remote website is failing to respond...

Yes, it's the same routine for the 32 bit files too.

Andrew

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[Patrick Connolly]

Somewhere about Thu, 10-Feb-2011 at 05:33PM +1300 (give or take), Andrew Simpson wrote:

[...]

|> The Ubuntu deb is a script that goes to a website and downloads the
|> Adobe package, uncompresses it and installs the file (It's only one
|> file).

That's clear enough

|>
|> I guess in your case the remote website is failing to respond...

But why can it be downloaded using Firefox with no difficulty? Is
some different protocol happening?

My related question was about the non-existence of anything to
indicate 64bit in that directory: The .so file is more than likely for
32 bit and would not be any use to me. The package manager seems to
be aware of a tar.gz file (which contains the .so file), but it
continues to look for a 64bit version. No arrangement appears to be
made for 64bit so it doesn't find anything.

If the message was along the lines of "no suitable file available"
instead of "failure to connect" it would make more sense.
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Post by Patrick Connolly
My related question was about the non-existence of anything to
indicate 64bit in that directory: The .so file is more than likely for
32 bit and would not be any use to me.

The .so is more than likely for 32 bit and would be of use to you.

Last I looked (a while ago, but it still seems to be the case) Ubuntu would
install the 32-bit flash plugin on 64-bit systems using a compatibility shim
(nspluginwrapper.) If it wasn't going to work for you, there wouldn't be a 64-
bit .deb in the first place.

The reason for this is that the actual 64-bit flash plugin is considered beta
by Adobe.

As said by someone else, the reason it downloads in the first place is that
Adobe has stupid rules about the redistribution of the binary that make it not
possible to package up directly.

Robin.

[Cliff Pratt]

[...]
|> The Ubuntu deb is a script that goes to a website and downloads the
|> Adobe package, uncompresses it and installs the file (It's only one
|> file).
That's clear enough
|>
|> I guess in your case the remote website is failing to respond...
But why can it be downloaded using Firefox with no difficulty? Is
some different protocol happening?
My related question was about the non-existence of anything to
indicate 64bit in that directory: The .so file is more than likely for
32 bit and would not be any use to me. The package manager seems to
be aware of a tar.gz file (which contains the .so file), but it
continues to look for a 64bit version. No arrangement appears to be
made for 64bit so it doesn't find anything.
If the message was along the lines of "no suitable file available"
instead of "failure to connect" it would make more sense.

Have you run 'file' on the .so? eg:

***@bumblebee:/lib64$ file libx86.so.1
libx86.so.1: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked, stripped

Cheers,

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Quoting Cliff Pratt <***@cliffp.com>:

[....]

Post by Cliff Pratt
libx86.so.1: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked, stripped

$ file libflashplayer.so
libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV),
stripped

I found something about using the 32-bit binary on 64 bit architecture. I'll
work my way through that, once I know where I should put the .so file.

Thanks for the tip.

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Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
$ file libflashplayer.so
libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV),
stripped
I found something about using  the 32-bit binary on 64 bit architecture.
 I'll
work my way through that, once I know where I should put the .so file.

i recall there being a firefox extension to allow 64 bit machines to
use 32 bit plugins - maybe search for that
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Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
[....]

Post by Cliff Pratt
libx86.so.1: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked, stripped

$ file libflashplayer.so
libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV),
stripped
I found something about using the 32-bit binary on 64 bit architecture.
I'll
work my way through that, once I know where I should put the .so file.

I must say that I've had no problems with Ubuntu, and I'm not sure why
you are getting them in Kubuntu.
ii flashplugin-installer 10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1 Adobe Flash Player
plugin installer
ii flashplugin-nonfree 10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1 Adobe Flash Player
plugin installer (transitional package)

My apologies, tuxkid, I meant to send to the list.

Cheers,

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Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.04.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-10 12:15:19--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.
--2011-02-10 12:15:41-- (try: 2)
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... failed: Connection timed
out.
Retrying.

Try it again now, I've just seen this on another machine:

Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-11 10:33:18--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... connected.

Post by t***@slingshot.co.nz
Why is it downloading a tar.gz file?

It will do this:

Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-11 10:33:18--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 4967098 (4.7M) [application/x-gzip]
Saving to: `./adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz'

0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 1%
35.8K 2m14s
50K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 2%
138K 83s
100K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 3%
151K 65s
150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 4%
784K 50s

(a bunch of other similar lines)

4800K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 99% 191K 0s
4850K 100%
1300G=32s

2011-02-11 10:33:51 (152 KB/s) -
`./adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz' saved [4967098/4967098]

Download done.
Flash Plugin installed.
Processing triggers for menu ...

Cheers,
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Quoting Roger Searle <***@gmail.com>:


[...]

Post by Roger Searle
Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-11 10:33:18--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 4967098 (4.7M) [application/x-gzip]
Saving to: `./adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz'

I get this:

--2011-02-11 13:38:31-- (try: 9)
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz

It tries 20 times then gives up.
Looks like I tried too late in the day.

Looks like it is Plan B.

Post by Roger Searle
0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 1%
35.8K 2m14s
50K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 2%
138K 83s
100K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 3%
151K 65s
150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 4%
784K 50s
(a bunch of other similar lines)
4800K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 99% 191K 0s
4850K 100%
1300G=32s
2011-02-11 10:33:51 (152 KB/s) -
`./adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz' saved [4967098/4967098]
Download done.
Flash Plugin installed.
Processing triggers for menu ...
Cheers,
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[...]

Post by Roger Searle
Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1) ...
Downloading...
--2011-02-11 10:33:18--
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33
Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 4967098 (4.7M) [application/x-gzip]
Saving to: `./adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz'

--2011-02-11 13:38:31--  (try: 9)
http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.152.27.orig.tar.gz
It tries 20 times then gives up.
Looks like I tried too late in the day.
Looks like it is Plan B.

You already have it downloaded via firefox. Put it where the installer
expects to find it - perhaps /var/cache/apt/archive and see if it
works.

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Post by Nick Rout
You already have it downloaded via firefox. Put it where the installer
expects to find it - perhaps /var/cache/apt/archive and see if it
works.

~/.mozilla/plugins

[Nick Rout]

Post by Robin Sheat

Post by Nick Rout
You already have it downloaded via firefox. Put it where the installer
expects to find it - perhaps /var/cache/apt/archive and see if it
works.

~/.mozilla/plugins

you are saying that's where the installer downloads it to during
installation? I somehow doubt it, as it would surely need to be installed
separately for every user.
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[Andrew Simpson]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:23:13 +1300

Post by Nick Rout

Post by Robin Sheat

Post by Nick Rout
You already have it downloaded via firefox. Put it where the installer
expects to find it - perhaps /var/cache/apt/archive and see if it
works.

~/.mozilla/plugins

you are saying that's where the installer downloads it to during
installation? I somehow doubt it, as it would surely need to be installed
separately for every user.

On my Ubuntu machine the system wide plugins go into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. However - and there is always a but -
there is a file in there called 'flashplugin-alternative-so' which is a symbolic link
to '/etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin'.

And that file '/etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin' is a symbolic link to the *real* file in question:
/usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so



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