Discussion:
Multiple users, one Kubuntu machine, fickle X
Patrick Connolly
2011-09-21 09:54:52 UTC
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I use KDE 4.6.3 on a Fedora box and can switch users without trouble.
However, when I try to do the same with Kubuntu (also KDE 4.6.3), it
works fine until one of the users logs out. On the Fedora system, the
screen for the other user/s would be presented and it's all
hunky-dory. When we try the same with the Kubuntu installation, all X
stuff seems to stop on a blank screen. It's possible to log onto the
machine from somewhere else on the network, but it's not possible to
do anything with its own X display. It's also not possible to get to
a tty screen: keyboard and mouse are totally unresponsive.

It didn't bother me too much and it could be lived with, but I suspect
something X is screwed up and was wondering if anyone could tell if
that could be connected with this error I get when I try to start a
TigerVNC server with Xvnc :1

(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of
/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed
(/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) GLX: could not load software renderer


There's no way I know of to work out how that message is produced let
alone have any idea how to deal with it.

My suspicion is that my difficulty getting the VNC server to start is
not so much to do with how vnc4server or whatever is installed but
something more fundamentally malfunctioning, whether a setting or a
hardware issue.

Both machines have Nvidia graphics cards, the Kubuntu one rather higher
end.

TIA
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Cliff Pratt
2011-09-21 10:32:28 UTC
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Post by Patrick Connolly
I use KDE 4.6.3 on a Fedora box and can switch users without trouble.
However, when I try to do the same with Kubuntu (also KDE 4.6.3), it
works fine until one of the users logs out. On the Fedora system, the
screen for the other user/s would be presented and it's all
hunky-dory. When we try the same with the Kubuntu installation, all X
stuff seems to stop on a blank screen. It's possible to log onto the
machine from somewhere else on the network, but it's not possible to
do anything with its own X display. It's also not possible to get to
a tty screen: keyboard and mouse are totally unresponsive.
It didn't bother me too much and it could be lived with, but I suspect
something X is screwed up and was wondering if anyone could tell if
that could be connected with this error I get when I try to start a
TigerVNC server with Xvnc :1
(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of
/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed
(/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) GLX: could not load software renderer
There's no way I know of to work out how that message is produced let
alone have any idea how to deal with it.
My suspicion is that my difficulty getting the VNC server to start is
not so much to do with how vnc4server or whatever is installed but
something more fundamentally malfunctioning, whether a setting or a
hardware issue.
Both machines have Nvidia graphics cards, the Kubuntu one rather higher
end.
It's claiming that it can't find the swrast_dri.so file in that path. On
my Ubuntu system it is at

/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so or
/usr/lib32/dri/swrast_dri.so

A symbolic link to one of those from the location mentioned *might*
work. The '/usr/src/tiger...' path seems odd for a lib though.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Patrick Connolly
2011-09-22 08:35:37 UTC
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Somewhere about Wed, 21-Sep-2011 at 10:32PM +1200 (give or take),
Cliff Pratt wrote:

[...]

|> It's claiming that it can't find the swrast_dri.so file in that
|> path. On my Ubuntu system it is at
|>
|> /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so or
|> /usr/lib32/dri/swrast_dri.so
|>
|> A symbolic link to one of those from the location mentioned *might*
|> work. The '/usr/src/tiger...' path seems odd for a lib though.

Yes, it seemed strange to me but I tried it anyway. It appears to me
that the message is indicating a symptom of something else because it
gets only a bit further....

(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context)
(EE) GLX: could not load software renderer

I gather the /usr/lib/dri/ directory is one for video drivers. Just
how that could be connected with X disappearing when a user logs out
I'm at a loss to explain. Could the mouse have anything to do with
it? What would I have to do to reinstall the video driver?

I'm open to suggestions. Even suggestions as to what search
strings would be useful to try would be appreciated.

TIA
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Cliff Pratt
2011-09-22 20:50:01 UTC
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Post by Patrick Connolly
Somewhere about Wed, 21-Sep-2011 at 10:32PM +1200 (give or take),
[...]
|> It's claiming that it can't find the swrast_dri.so file in that
|> path. On my Ubuntu system it is at
|>
|> /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so or
|> /usr/lib32/dri/swrast_dri.so
|>
|> A symbolic link to one of those from the location mentioned *might*
|> work. The '/usr/src/tiger...' path seems odd for a lib though.
Yes, it seemed strange to me but I tried it anyway. It appears to me
that the message is indicating a symptom of something else because it
gets only a bit further....
(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context)
(EE) GLX: could not load software renderer
I gather the /usr/lib/dri/ directory is one for video drivers. Just
how that could be connected with X disappearing when a user logs out
I'm at a loss to explain. Could the mouse have anything to do with
it? What would I have to do to reinstall the video driver?
I'm open to suggestions. Even suggestions as to what search
strings would be useful to try would be appreciated.
No real suggestions, but have you thought of going back to the package
supplied by the distro? The issues above should not occur in a distro
supported package, should they? That leaves you with the font/resolution
issue that you started with, which might be solvable.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Volker Kuhlmann
2011-09-23 08:08:27 UTC
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Post by Patrick Connolly
I gather the /usr/lib/dri/ directory is one for video drivers. Just
how that could be connected with X disappearing when a user logs out
I'm at a loss to explain. Could the mouse have anything to do with
it? What would I have to do to reinstall the video driver?
The two issues are probably separate. The missing symbol could be caused
by version mismatches of the various shared libraries you have around
and you are in a situation of .deb hell. Keep symlinking, or better sort
out the versions, which shouldn't be difficult using the distro's
packaging system. Did you mix packages fr different distros or versions
thereof? If you installed stuff outside the packaging system then this
is the sort ofplace you end up in if you're not careful or don't know
what you're doing.

I've used the "switch user" function of the KDE desktop for the last
about 10 years, plus switching between text and graphics consoles, and
on some systems I've had problems similar to yours. They were always
caused by shoddy useless graphics drivers. That included the i740 at
some stage, and some versions of nvidia too. Generally I only use the
nvidia proprietary drivers, unfortunately the OSS ones are
non-performant (both nvidia and nouveau). There isn't much you can do
here - switch hardware or switch driver or switch driver version.

That's of course assuming you don't have flaky hardware. Sometimes that
can be very difficult to prove.

Volker
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Patrick Connolly
2011-09-26 08:17:58 UTC
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Somewhere about Fri, 23-Sep-2011 at 08:08PM +1200 (give or take), Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

|> On Thu 22 Sep 2011 20:35:37 NZST +1200, Patrick Connolly wrote:
|>
|> > I gather the /usr/lib/dri/ directory is one for video drivers. Just
|> > how that could be connected with X disappearing when a user logs out
|> > I'm at a loss to explain. Could the mouse have anything to do with
|> > it? What would I have to do to reinstall the video driver?
|>
|> The two issues are probably separate. The missing symbol could be caused
|> by version mismatches of the various shared libraries you have around
|> and you are in a situation of .deb hell. Keep symlinking, or better sort
|> out the versions, which shouldn't be difficult using the distro's
|> packaging system. Did you mix packages fr different distros or versions
|> thereof? If you installed stuff outside the packaging system then this

I used aptitude to install everything that wasn't on the live CD,
except for the tigervncserver. For that one, I dowloaded the .deb
from the link at tigervnc.org. Within the browser, I thought it used
synaptic or whatever it's called. I thought that was a different
front-end to the dpkg system, but I might be in error on that one.

Then I tried to use the instructions I found at
http://vnc.devloop.org.uk/ which begins with
wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc | apt-key add -

That always timed out, so I never found out whether apt-get worked
better that way. I tried dozens of times and it always timed out. I
know I had to set up a special configuration to get aptitude to work
with a proxy. Could it be that something similar is needed to make
wget work?

|> is the sort ofplace you end up in if you're not careful or don't know
|> what you're doing.

I thought I'd been careful enough, but evidently I don't know enough.


|>
|> I've used the "switch user" function of the KDE desktop for the last
|> about 10 years, plus switching between text and graphics consoles, and

I found out today that I don't even need to switch users for the
problem to arise. Simply logging out is sufficient to kill any X
activity as well as preventing any tty consoles (though it's still
possible to connect to it via a network). It's not impossible to live
with a machine like that, but somehow I get the impression I'm not
going to fix the other problem without fixing that one.

Most perplexing is the fact that I can't get Xvnc :1 to work at all
whereas it did (however badly) last week. I can't work out what
changed since to give the error about
/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so


|> on some systems I've had problems similar to yours. They were always
|> caused by shoddy useless graphics drivers. That included the i740 at
|> some stage, and some versions of nvidia too. Generally I only use the
|> nvidia proprietary drivers, unfortunately the OSS ones are
|> non-performant (both nvidia and nouveau). There isn't much you can do
|> here - switch hardware or switch driver or switch driver version.

I didn't keep a note of just what I did to install the Nvidia driver
(last year some time) but I'm not an open-source purist, so I use the
proprietary driver from Nvidia. I have an interface for adjusting the
Nvidia settings, but I can't work out how to by-pass it altogether.
(notes: must keep better notes in future). I think I did something
along the lines of what's here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Installation

|>
|> That's of course assuming you don't have flaky hardware. Sometimes that
|> can be very difficult to prove.

It's pretty high-end hardware: HP Z600, which one would like to think
is somewhat above average, but of course it doesn't mean that it won't
be flakey.

Thanks Volker and Cliff. I'd appreciate other ideas, notable about wget.
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Bruce Kingsbury
2011-09-26 08:50:42 UTC
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If you have to use a proxy for apt, you have to use the same proxy for wget
..

Or you could have just skipped that step, it's just getting the signing key
for the packages. When you run apt it will tell you the packages can't eb
verified (because you didn't get the signing key) and ask if you want to
install the package anyway, which you answer yes.
Post by Patrick Connolly
|>
|> > I gather the /usr/lib/dri/ directory is one for video drivers. Just
|> > how that could be connected with X disappearing when a user logs out
|> > I'm at a loss to explain. Could the mouse have anything to do with
|> > it? What would I have to do to reinstall the video driver?
|>
|> The two issues are probably separate. The missing symbol could be caused
|> by version mismatches of the various shared libraries you have around
|> and you are in a situation of .deb hell. Keep symlinking, or better sort
|> out the versions, which shouldn't be difficult using the distro's
|> packaging system. Did you mix packages fr different distros or versions
|> thereof? If you installed stuff outside the packaging system then this
I used aptitude to install everything that wasn't on the live CD,
except for the tigervncserver. For that one, I dowloaded the .deb
from the link at tigervnc.org. Within the browser, I thought it used
synaptic or whatever it's called. I thought that was a different
front-end to the dpkg system, but I might be in error on that one.
Then I tried to use the instructions I found at
http://vnc.devloop.org.uk/ which begins with
wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc | apt-key add -
That always timed out, so I never found out whether apt-get worked
better that way. I tried dozens of times and it always timed out. I
know I had to set up a special configuration to get aptitude to work
with a proxy. Could it be that something similar is needed to make
wget work?
|> is the sort ofplace you end up in if you're not careful or don't know
|> what you're doing.
I thought I'd been careful enough, but evidently I don't know enough.
|>
|> I've used the "switch user" function of the KDE desktop for the last
|> about 10 years, plus switching between text and graphics consoles, and
I found out today that I don't even need to switch users for the
problem to arise. Simply logging out is sufficient to kill any X
activity as well as preventing any tty consoles (though it's still
possible to connect to it via a network). It's not impossible to live
with a machine like that, but somehow I get the impression I'm not
going to fix the other problem without fixing that one.
Most perplexing is the fact that I can't get Xvnc :1 to work at all
whereas it did (however badly) last week. I can't work out what
changed since to give the error about
/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
|> on some systems I've had problems similar to yours. They were always
|> caused by shoddy useless graphics drivers. That included the i740 at
|> some stage, and some versions of nvidia too. Generally I only use the
|> nvidia proprietary drivers, unfortunately the OSS ones are
|> non-performant (both nvidia and nouveau). There isn't much you can do
|> here - switch hardware or switch driver or switch driver version.
I didn't keep a note of just what I did to install the Nvidia driver
(last year some time) but I'm not an open-source purist, so I use the
proprietary driver from Nvidia. I have an interface for adjusting the
Nvidia settings, but I can't work out how to by-pass it altogether.
(notes: must keep better notes in future). I think I did something
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Installation
|>
|> That's of course assuming you don't have flaky hardware. Sometimes that
|> can be very difficult to prove.
It's pretty high-end hardware: HP Z600, which one would like to think
is somewhat above average, but of course it doesn't mean that it won't
be flakey.
Thanks Volker and Cliff. I'd appreciate other ideas, notable about wget.
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Volker Kuhlmann
2011-09-26 09:01:07 UTC
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Post by Patrick Connolly
wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc
Forget all about apt-whatnot for the moment and test your network first:

wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc > newfile

If that fails, one of these would be true:

* Your Internet access has a problem. You need to sort any proxies out
youself. On a home network you should never have any. University or
many work places however will have one, so you have to use it. Use wget
google.com to test. You can rely on wget by itself not being the
problem.

* Your system is very very screwy. If you don't know how to fix,
reinstall.

* The Internet doesn't work. Don't laugh. I've had a large number of
overseas sites in the last few days that sporadically stopped working
for hours on end. In each case I could prove, using Telstraclear on one
side of town and xtra on the other side of town, that the server itself
was not at fault - one location always got a response. I understand
there have been major problems with NZ overseas cennectivity recently.
Post by Patrick Connolly
I didn't keep a note of just what I did to install the Nvidia driver
(last year some time) but I'm not an open-source purist,
I use the proprietary driver too, for the simple reason that the oss
ones plain don't work. All in all nvidia's driver is very good and well
maintained, but it's not impossible that you have a combination of
kernel and hardware that make it smoke.
Post by Patrick Connolly
It's pretty high-end hardware: HP Z600, which one would like to think
is somewhat above average,
Yes one would like to, but that unfortunately doesn't mean a thing about
yours being ok.

HTH,

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Patrick Connolly
2011-09-26 09:22:15 UTC
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Somewhere about Mon, 26-Sep-2011 at 10:01PM +1300 (give or take), Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

|> On Mon 26 Sep 2011 21:17:58 NZDT +1300, Patrick Connolly wrote:
|>
|> > wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc
|>
|> Forget all about apt-whatnot for the moment and test your network first:
|>
|> wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc > newfile
|>
|> If that fails, one of these would be true:
|>
|> * Your Internet access has a problem. You need to sort any proxies out
|> youself. On a home network you should never have any. University or

So to do that is analagous to the way I got aptitude to use the
proxy? In any case, Bruce indicates I can bypass it anyway. Thanks
Bruce. I'd not have though of that.
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Cliff Pratt
2011-09-26 20:07:42 UTC
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|>
|> > I gather the /usr/lib/dri/ directory is one for video drivers. Just
|> > how that could be connected with X disappearing when a user logs out
|> > I'm at a loss to explain. Could the mouse have anything to do with
|> > it? What would I have to do to reinstall the video driver?
|>
|> The two issues are probably separate. The missing symbol could be caused
|> by version mismatches of the various shared libraries you have around
|> and you are in a situation of .deb hell. Keep symlinking, or better sort
|> out the versions, which shouldn't be difficult using the distro's
|> packaging system. Did you mix packages fr different distros or versions
|> thereof? If you installed stuff outside the packaging system then this
I used aptitude to install everything that wasn't on the live CD,
except for the tigervncserver. For that one, I dowloaded the .deb
from the link at tigervnc.org. Within the browser, I thought it used
synaptic or whatever it's called. I thought that was a different
front-end to the dpkg system, but I might be in error on that one.
Then I tried to use the instructions I found at
http://vnc.devloop.org.uk/ which begins with
wget -O - http://winswitch.org/gpg.asc | apt-key add -
That always timed out, so I never found out whether apt-get worked
better that way. I tried dozens of times and it always timed out. I
know I had to set up a special configuration to get aptitude to work
with a proxy. Could it be that something similar is needed to make
wget work?
|> is the sort ofplace you end up in if you're not careful or don't know
|> what you're doing.
I thought I'd been careful enough, but evidently I don't know enough.
|>
|> I've used the "switch user" function of the KDE desktop for the last
|> about 10 years, plus switching between text and graphics consoles, and
I found out today that I don't even need to switch users for the
problem to arise. Simply logging out is sufficient to kill any X
activity as well as preventing any tty consoles (though it's still
possible to connect to it via a network). It's not impossible to live
with a machine like that, but somehow I get the impression I'm not
going to fix the other problem without fixing that one.
Most perplexing is the fact that I can't get Xvnc :1 to work at all
whereas it did (however badly) last week. I can't work out what
changed since to give the error about
/usr/src/tigervnc-1.0.1/unix/xorg.build/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
|> on some systems I've had problems similar to yours. They were always
|> caused by shoddy useless graphics drivers. That included the i740 at
|> some stage, and some versions of nvidia too. Generally I only use the
|> nvidia proprietary drivers, unfortunately the OSS ones are
|> non-performant (both nvidia and nouveau). There isn't much you can do
|> here - switch hardware or switch driver or switch driver version.
I didn't keep a note of just what I did to install the Nvidia driver
(last year some time) but I'm not an open-source purist, so I use the
proprietary driver from Nvidia. I have an interface for adjusting the
Nvidia settings, but I can't work out how to by-pass it altogether.
(notes: must keep better notes in future). I think I did something
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Installation
|>
|> That's of course assuming you don't have flaky hardware. Sometimes that
|> can be very difficult to prove.
It's pretty high-end hardware: HP Z600, which one would like to think
is somewhat above average, but of course it doesn't mean that it won't
be flakey.
Thanks Volker and Cliff. I'd appreciate other ideas, notable about wget.
wget is just a way of retrieving a web page or file. You should be able
to just paste the URL into a browser.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Volker Kuhlmann
2011-09-27 06:44:56 UTC
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Post by Cliff Pratt
wget is just a way of retrieving a web page or file. You should be
able to just paste the URL into a browser.
Yes, but each piece of network-capble software has its own idea about
how it needs to be configured to use a proxy, so pasting the URL into a
browser doesn't necessarily give you the same results. Most likely the
browser is set up correctly, but wget may not be, and your apt-xyz may
be different again.

The wget config is in /etc/wgetrc and ~/.wgetrc

/etc/wgetrc has comments about how to configure proxies, just copy and
change them. Obviously you need to work out first what proxy settings
you are supposed to use, can't help with that. Be aware that there is a
proxy-setting-auto-discovery mechanism for browsers which wget doesn't
use. Hence your browser "working" doesn't mean wget will.

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Patrick Connolly
2011-09-28 09:24:01 UTC
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Somewhere about Tue, 27-Sep-2011 at 07:44PM +1300 (give or take), Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

|> On Tue 27 Sep 2011 09:07:42 NZDT +1300, Cliff Pratt wrote:
|>
|> > wget is just a way of retrieving a web page or file. You should be
|> > able to just paste the URL into a browser.
|>
|> Yes, but each piece of network-capble software has its own idea about
|> how it needs to be configured to use a proxy, so pasting the URL into a
|> browser doesn't necessarily give you the same results. Most likely the
|> browser is set up correctly, but wget may not be, and your apt-xyz may
|> be different again.
|>
|> The wget config is in /etc/wgetrc and ~/.wgetrc
|>
|> /etc/wgetrc has comments about how to configure proxies, just copy and
|> change them. Obviously you need to work out first what proxy settings
|> you are supposed to use, can't help with that. Be aware that there is a
|> proxy-setting-auto-discovery mechanism for browsers which wget doesn't
|> use. Hence your browser "working" doesn't mean wget will.

Thanks for that. I know what the proxy setting should be since I've
already set it for aptitude (and in Firefox). I knew what but not
where.
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