Age appropriateness...

[Nevyn]

Hi Everyone,

I was thinking about the number of applications I've had to reject
from this school project because of their integration with Facebook.
Things like empathy, where Facebook is the very first option, and some
photo sharing software. Gwibber is the next one on the list to review.

Given that Facebook's terms and conditions don't allow for persons
under 13 years of age, this sort of thing is kind of inappropriate.
And I know - choice is good and education brilliant but this really is
an interesting differentiation point.

What would happen if we were to recompile a bunch of this software
without the option for Facebook and without the options for any other
packages which may breach terms of usage for children of primary
school age? I'm sick of having to reject applications on this criteria
when those applications could be of benefit.

I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

Regards,
Nevyn
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[Bruce Clement]

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Nevyn <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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Post by Nevyn
What would happen if we were to recompile a bunch of this software
without the option for Facebook and without the options for any other
packages which may breach terms of usage for children of primary
school age?

That's what free software is all about:

Freedom 2 "he freedom to study how the program works, and change it to
make it do what you wish "
Freedom 3 "The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions
to others" http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

"To the pure, all things are pure. " (St Paul, Titus 1:15).

On the other hand parents & teachers probably aren't going to see it
that way. Suggest you don't include it in your set.

Post by Nevyn
Regards,
Nevyn

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Post by Bruce Clement
Freedom 2 "he freedom to study how the program works, and change it to
make it do what you wish "
Freedom 3 "The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions
to others" http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

I'm just wondering if a repository of this sort of stuff would gain
traction within NZ schools. A distribution of Ubuntu that is
appropriate for primary school children...

Post by Bruce Clement

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

"To the pure, all things are pure. " (St Paul, Titus 1:15).
On the other hand parents & teachers probably aren't going to see it
that way. Suggest you don't include it in your set.

Quietly ignoring it. i.e. not banning it outright. I'll see if I get a
complaint. For the most part, I don't anticipate them using anything
more than Ubuntu Software Center. I should probably see if it's there
just so that I have time to brace myself against complaint.

Regards,
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I'm fairly sure it's there.

There are also some rude words in the OpenOffice spelling dictionary.
I hope those won't be a problem too ...

Post by Nevyn

Post by Bruce Clement
Freedom 2 "he freedom to study how the program works, and change it to
make it do what you wish "
Freedom 3 "The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions
to others" http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

I'm just wondering if a repository of this sort of stuff would gain
traction within NZ schools. A distribution of Ubuntu that is
appropriate for primary school children...

Post by Bruce Clement

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

"To the pure, all things are pure. " (St Paul, Titus 1:15).
On the other hand parents & teachers probably aren't going to see it
that way. Suggest you don't include it in your set.

Quietly ignoring it. i.e. not banning it outright. I'll see if I get a
complaint. For the most part, I don't anticipate them using anything
more than Ubuntu Software Center. I should probably see if it's there
just so that I have time to brace myself against complaint.
Regards,
Nevyn
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Post by Bruce Kingsbury
I'm fairly sure it's there.
There are also some rude words in the OpenOffice spelling dictionary.
I hope those won't be a problem too ...

1968 wasn't only the year the Internet was created, it was also the
year I discovered that there were "rude words" in the dictionary in
the school library.

(*) Form 1, Devon Intermediate.

Tschuss
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Post by Bruce Clement
1968 wasn't only the year the Internet was created, it was also the
year I discovered that there were "rude words" in the dictionary in
the school library.
(*) Form 1, Devon Intermediate.
Tschuss

heh, 4 years before me. Probably the same dictionary ;-)


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Post by Bruce Clement
1968 wasn't only the year the Internet was created, it was also the
year I discovered that there were "rude words" in the dictionary in
the school library.
(*) Form 1, Devon Intermediate.
Tschuss

heh, 4 years before me. Probably the same dictionary ;-)

It is probably was still there. That school library also had a copy of
the Encyclopaedia Brittanica. Once when I looked something up about
geography or history in it I found a very strange answer. Turned out
it was a pre-world war 1 edition.

I wonder what happened to it.
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Post by Nevyn
I'm just wondering if a repository of this sort of stuff would gain
traction within NZ schools. A distribution of Ubuntu that is
appropriate for primary school children...

As long as they had some faith that it would be regularly updated I
can see it as useful for them.

BTW: Have you considered using Edubuntu as your base version?
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Post by Bruce Clement

Post by Nevyn
I'm just wondering if a repository of this sort of stuff would gain
traction within NZ schools. A distribution of Ubuntu that is
appropriate for primary school children...

As long as they had some faith that it would be regularly updated I
can see it as useful for them.
BTW: Have you considered using Edubuntu as your base version?
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They chose their own base - Ubuntu desktop edition. Truth be told,
Edubuntu puts my teeth on edge.

The reason being is that I'm really not a big fan of educational
software. In the base install I threw in Tuxpaint, tuxmath and
tuxpaint. But these things tend to only have appeal for the first week
or so. Last year, I didn't see a single student (though the sample
size here is only 60) use any of those applications after the first
week.

Instead, I'm a big fan of letting kids play/discover. Writing a story
- although I hate the fact that loads of schools out there have their
kids pile into a computer lab, write 2 sentences and then the rest of
the time figuring out how they can make those sentences look like pink
elephants - has educational benefit. Them figuring out how to mute
their speakers and teaching other kids how to do it is very cool to
watch.

I did hand my laptop to a 6 year old while on holiday and loaded up
tuxmath for him. While he was fairly good, he seemed to suffer some
anxiety (and quite an interesting reaction to the anxiety) when there
was more than 3 equations on the screen. But that was more interesting
for the fact that he's an extraordinary kid - you couldn't say
i-c-e-c-r-e-a-m or c-h-o-c-o-l-a-t-e because he could spell those
words well before going to school. His parents took to some rather
strange code words instead.

I don't think Edubuntu addresses, or makes any attempt to address, the
concerns I have which come directly from the school. Having a
blacklist system to avoid installing Ubuntu versions of software and
instead, allow the children to have access to that software without
the bits which aren't terribly appropriate would be a huge win and I
reckon would be seen in a good light by schools.

Regards,
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[cr]

Post by Nevyn
Hi Everyone,

(snip)

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

I've tried using it (it's in Debian), IIRC it's just an ordinary viewer. Too
bad about the unfortunate name. But there are plenty of other viewers, I
usually use GQview for everything. (Umm, wasn't 'GQ' a mens magazine? But
I think anyone would have to be really paranoid to pick up on that).

cr

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Post by cr

Post by Nevyn
Hi Everyone,

(snip)

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

I've tried using it (it's in Debian), IIRC it's just an ordinary viewer.   Too
bad about the unfortunate name.   But there are plenty of other viewers, I
usually use GQview for everything.   (Umm, wasn't 'GQ' a mens magazine?   But
I think anyone would have to be really paranoid to pick up on that).
cr

Didn't actually try it. Just found it ... interesting. I liked the
view on it - files, thumbnails for the left hand pane. Large viewing
pane for the center/right.

Regards,
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Post by cr

Post by Nevyn
Hi Everyone,

(snip)

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

I've tried using it (it's in Debian), IIRC it's just an ordinary viewer.   Too
bad about the unfortunate name.   But there are plenty of other viewers, I
usually use GQview for everything.   (Umm, wasn't 'GQ' a mens magazine?   But
I think anyone would have to be really paranoid to pick up on that).

Ubuntu's repos seem to suggest it is a photo viewer but with the bonus
that "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for
hands-free viewing."

LOL

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Post by Nick Rout

Post by cr

Post by Nevyn
Hi Everyone,

(snip)

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

I've tried using it (it's in Debian), IIRC it's just an ordinary viewer. Too
bad about the unfortunate name. But there are plenty of other viewers, I
usually use GQview for everything.   (Umm, wasn't 'GQ' a mens magazine? But
I think anyone would have to be really paranoid to pick up on that).

Ubuntu's repos seem to suggest it is a photo viewer but with the bonus
that "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for
hands-free viewing."

Where on Earth did the "porn" in its name come from? I couldn't find
the package in either Debian or Ubuntu's repositories, and (needless
to say) a web search yielded the wrong results.

--Aidan

[Robin Paulson]

Where on Earth did the "porn" in its name come from?  I couldn't find
the package in either Debian or Ubuntu's repositories, and (needless
to say) a web search yielded the wrong results.

try 'pornview', not 'pornviewer'
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Aidan Gauland

Post by Nick Rout

Post by cr

Post by Nevyn
Hi Everyone,

(snip)

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

I've tried using it (it's in Debian), IIRC it's just an ordinary viewer.  Too
bad about the unfortunate name.  But there are plenty of other viewers, I
usually use GQview for everything.   (Umm, wasn't 'GQ' a mens magazine?  But
I think anyone would have to be really paranoid to pick up on that).

Ubuntu's repos seem to suggest it is a photo viewer but with the bonus
that "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for
hands-free viewing."

Where on Earth did the "porn" in its name come from?  I couldn't find
the package in either Debian or Ubuntu's repositories, and (needless
to say) a web search yielded the wrong results.

read my post again...

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Post by Nick Rout
read my post again...

I found it on SourceForge. Some of the "Reviews" provided hints. At
first I thought the name was an unfortunate coincidence. Guess not...

--Aidan

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Aidan Gauland

Post by Nick Rout
read my post again...

I found it on SourceForge.  Some of the "Reviews" provided hints.  At
first I thought the name was an unfortunate coincidence.  Guess not...

It is in ubuntu's repos.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pornview&searchon=names&suite=maverick&section=all

--Aidan
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Post by Nick Rout
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Aidan Gauland

Post by Nick Rout
read my post again...

I found it on SourceForge.  Some of the "Reviews" provided hints.  At
first I thought the name was an unfortunate coincidence.  Guess not...

It is in ubuntu's repos.
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pornview&searchon=names&suite=ma
verick&section=all

--Aidan

And in Debian, I'm running Lenny (5.0) and Synaptic lists it so it's somewhere
in the DVD set.

cr

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Post by Nick Rout
read my post again...

I found it on SourceForge.  Some of the "Reviews" provided hints.  At
first I thought the name was an unfortunate coincidence.  Guess not...

It's a joke, but lots of people don't seem to find funny. "the
internet is for porn" etc.. It's just an image viewer with similar
features to almost any other image viewer. It doesn't come with any
pornographic content or themes installed.

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Post by Bruce Kingsbury

I found it on SourceForge.  Some of the "Reviews" provided hints.  At
first I thought the name was an unfortunate coincidence.  Guess not...

It's a joke, but lots of people don't seem to find funny. "the
internet is for porn" etc.. It's just an image viewer with similar
features to almost any other image viewer. It doesn't come with any
pornographic content or themes installed.

Oh, I realised it was a joke. It just wasn't too funny after trying
to figure out if "porn" was an acronym or abbreviation of something
non-English and thus just an unfortunate coincidence, or intentional.

Yet another tragic of too much thought put into interpreting a
joke. :P

--Aidan

[cr]

Post by Nick Rout

Post by cr

Post by Nevyn
Hi Everyone,

(snip)

Post by Nevyn
I also found an application called "pornviewer" in the Ubuntu
repositories. Looking at it, it looks great. I'm wondering how
concerned I should be about the name.

I've tried using it (it's in Debian), IIRC it's just an ordinary viewer.
  Too bad about the unfortunate name.   But there are plenty of other
viewers, I usually use GQview for everything.   (Umm, wasn't 'GQ' a mens
magazine?   But I think anyone would have to be really paranoid to pick
up on that).

Ubuntu's repos seem to suggest it is a photo viewer but with the bonus
that "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for
hands-free viewing."
LOL

Ah, like Windows Picture Viewer in slideshow mode? (Nobody tell
Microsoft! ;)

cr

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Post by Nick Rout
Ubuntu's repos seem to suggest it is a photo viewer but with the bonus
that "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for
hands-free viewing."
LOL

Ah, like Windows Picture Viewer in slideshow mode?    (Nobody tell
Microsoft!  ;)

This was an actual Microsoft add that was featured on their
browserforthebetter website..

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